Speaker 1: GM.

This is Boone and you're
listening to Vaulted, a Web3

podcast series from the Schiller
Archives.

This episode was originally
recorded on November 7, 2022 and

features Faroq, founder of Rug
Radio, co-host of the GM show

and a connoisseur of rare and
notable petbays.

In this episode, we discuss
Faroq's aha moment, where he

went all into Web3, to the story
of how Rug Radio came to be and

how he faces criticism in the
public square of Web3.

As always, this podcast is for
entertainment purposes only and

should not be relied upon for
investment advice.

Boone and guests may own NFTs
discussed.

Speaker 2: Now time to grab some
coffee and dive into this

conversation with Faroq All
right, we're meant GM to the

probably the biggest GM I've
ever seen on fucking Twitter.

Man, how are you?

Speaker 3: What up?

What up GM?

Speaker 2: How are you man?

Speaker 3: I'm good man.

How about yourself?

Speaker 2: You see I'm like a
walking Astros billboard right

now.

We beat New York up two games
and nothing.

We only got one more.

I'm one of those superstitions
where I don't wear any gear

during the games, but the days
in between games I'm like a

walking billboard for all of
them.

Every time I wear fucking
jersey during a game they lose.

I'm not fucking doing this, man
, I'm just not doing this.

It's a disservice to my team.

But no one's going to have any
doubt, like where I stand on the

off days.

Like they're going to know,
they're going to hear it.

I'm not going to shut the fuck
up about it, man.

Speaker 3: So I was like he's a
football team, right, baseball,

I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

I know Houston, right, didn't
you win the, the, the, the,

whatever cup, longo, yeah, we're
, we're a series, we're taking

back from you?

Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of yeah.

I mean, so we got, we got
caught for sign stealing and we,

we like deliberately set up a
camera in the back of the the

stadium.

So you know, we we not great,
not great, not great.

So this is going to like watch
that taste out everyone's mouth

is what I'm really hoping for,
man, because it's looking like

the same exact lineup, except
the Dodgers are out.

So you know what I mean.

Let's go, let's fucking go,
dude.

But man, I don't even know
where to start here, so we're

going to start from the
beginning.

Dude, I just got to give you a
quick like rundown of like man,

I've been following you since
like clubhouse days.

I came into space right around
the people sale and I was, like

I remember the one per the one
consistent motherfucker I saw

was you and I'm like who is this
guy?

Why is he so happy all the time
?

Like what's the deal with this
NFTs?

Like what?

What?

You know what's going on here,
man?

So, like I got this, just know,
like, how the hell did you find

this space?

Like, what's your background,
man?

Like bro.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what
you're talking about.

It right, it's on clubhouse
Like February 18th 2021, I'm on

clubhouse.

I'd been already building brand
on that platform.

I found out clubhouse December
28th 2020.

I was already three months deep
Like.

I was already like 70,000
followers deep.

I was already hosting 16 hours
a day.

Yeah, I was already doing all
the hosting shit and and then,

like you know, one night I found
out what an NFT was, thanks to,

like, thank you X and my friend
Buster, and Victor Fuglosh's

book render and all these people
the same day, same night, mind

you, at midnight, and then they
taught me everything about what

NFTs are and I've told the story
of the story a lot.

It's pretty interesting, but I
just like I ended up in the

clubhouse NFT room and I was
like what the fuck is this?

And I started asking all these
questions and it just hit me

like wow, like this is it, this
is the future.

And I was like I'm not missing
out on it.

And I went all in, which led to
everything you know we've built

so far and everything I've
become in the space.

But I my background is
extensively in social media.

Right, I've I started my own
like social media.

You know agency blackboard, 17,
marketing, branding, community

strategies online for clients.

You know I got into Instagram
at 17, tumblr 14.

Facebook was created when I was
12 years old, so it was

dabbling into that.

So all my life like it was
mostly like more than half of my

life I spent on social
platforms, right Shit.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 3: And so and so it's,
it's.

It's kind of always been the
vibe, and so I was always really

good at like building brand,
building personal brand, you

know, gathering large
communities on the platform.

I had tens of millions of
followers on Instagram that I've

built for eight years like and
I built a business, so I was

always like in the know with
like medics and all that, and so

I'm really true internet kid
right Like sure it's simple,

like you know, of course, like a
lot of work that goes in

between that and to build a
business.

But yeah, when I found my NFTs,
I just dropped it all and I was

like, wow, this is the future,
it's how it's going to work and,

like you know, it was always
like to me the most exciting

thing.

Speaker 2: Bro, I mean, I had
the same moment during that,

during that sale, because it
because to me it like when it

hit, it hit man, and it was, it
was for me because I'm a gamer

at heart.

And so, like, when I understood
, like wow, I'm paying for these

assets, but I don't own them,
you know, that's when it all

clicked for me.

I said that, like this, this
makes absolute sense, dude.

And so I I got to ask man, like
when it comes?

You said you got like, you got
like a track record of being

early.

I mean that's it's fucking cool
, dude, to like to like hear

that.

And so I guess, like, does this
feel, is it, was this like this

feeling?

Is there like a similar feeling
when you are early to something

?

Or like, damn, like this is
kind of it, or was it just like?

Speaker 3: yeah, yeah, yeah, so,
uh, yeah, I was always very

good at navigating platforms and
being like adapting and

changing quick, like Tumblr
early 2011,.

Instagram early 2014,.

Clubhouse early 2020, NFTs 2021
, like February, mind you like.

So it's still very early when
you think about it, right?

No, just that is, nobody really
knows you in the space, but

like you know early, right, and
so and so, um and so, yeah, dude

, it was always like when I saw
that was like well, that Bitcoin

2012, I missed it.

Theorem 2016, I missed it.

I've always been curious about
blockchain and crypto currency.

It's never really got it or
never took a deep dive, and my

resolution for 2021 going to, is
like I'm going to get into

crypto and so I'm in my first
crypto investment.

Like I'm January 1st of that
year and I was like and because

all my friends in 2016, like
telegram chats, like yo, this

Ethereum thing is going to be
the next thing they're buying in

like fucking $10, you know, and
I wasn't so scared.

Speaker 1: And I was like well.

Speaker 3: I'm not missing the
boat again.

Like this, is it?

This is a cross of like, uh,
crypto natives and internet kids

.

I'm in this bag into one and,
like it's going to be the mix

with the memetics, you know,
telling me that many builders

are able to finally get rewarded
in order to, uh, in order to

build something meaningful for
the world where everyone can

benefit.

Like I don't know how to say,
but it immediately clicked, bro,

you know what I mean.

And that's probably because I
was brought into this place

through community and artists,
right, so it wasn't like forth

money, I was really brought in
through.

Thank you, guys who taught me
what an NFT is ferocious, like.

These are the people who taught
me about the space, right, it's

not like the gambling which
came after, because even for the

Yucca wasn't born yet, right,
like the actual CFP around was

like poor punks and like maybe
hashmas, but we didn't know

about them yet.

So it's like, it's like really,
that's what got me.

And so I, I see, I I think a
lot of that shape, like the way

I saw the space early on, and so
I was early.

I mean, I still think we are
early, but like it was like

early, early.

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I noticed
that a lot because I my my very

fricking, because I've been
podcasting in the eSports space

for a little while and and you
know, when I first came, when I

first came with the bridge here,
like I kind of came out and hit

the like, like my second guest
was Jimmy McNeils, you know.

So it's like that was like my,
I came out of the bat swing.

Speaker 3: Yeah, jimmy McNeils,
that's the homie man.

Like you know, he's one of
those, like he was always

helping me out.

Shout out, jimmy.

Speaker 2: Dude, 100% man, and
like my, my thing came.

That's when I found this.

So it was.

It was a very similar vibe of
like that's like we were early.

But the reason I say it story
man, is cause, like I feel like

now onboarding is a very
different story than when it was

back in, like even in 2021.

Like it felt just so much
different and it felt so much

easier.

Like most people I could you
know most people with a punk PFP

like I could gen, like not all
of them, like I don't want to, I

don't want to say every single
person, but generally I could

trust what the hell they were
saying.

Like it felt like really quiet
kind of vibe.

I'm like, oh, this is cool man,
this is like I'm getting comfy.

Speaker 3: You can't afford it.

Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, but very
similar to you, though, like I,

I I did not invest my first.

Well, I say I invested
something like 2016 and then

just like forgot about it Cause
I just didn't give.

I didn't give a fuck about it,
I didn't have a use case, I

didn't like.

I couldn't see what was
happening so, but it was like

when, when I made my first
investment though it was painful

to like convert USC to Ethereum
it was like this really weird

jump of like damn like.

I still don't fully trust this,
but I've done three months of

research, so the only way I'm
going to figure out the next

step is just to fucking do it.

You know, like.

Speaker 1: I just there's just.

Speaker 2: There's just a point
where you can only read so many

articles, you can only read so
many threads, you can only watch

so many fucking videos, where
you just got like, okay, yeah,

fine, I was fucking doing it,
man, like fine.

And to this day I still feel
that, like I just don't like

converting USC to Ethereum, but
I rather make Ethereum natively,

man, like, that's what actually
got me motivated to like start

looking into flipping, even
though I'm not a natural flipper

, like it's just something I'm.

I buy things because I like
them, and so for me to like let

go of them is like an act of God
.

To like get me to like flip
something Cause I'm like damn, I

bought it cause I really
fucking liked it.

You know what I mean?

And it's just dude, yeah.

So I mean one thing that like
I've struggled with as someone

who tries to like I've gotten
pretty good at onboarding people

in my own pace.

It's like I'm a very
individualistic style where it's

like I know the person.

I like I know their needs, I
know what their interests are, I

know like how to drive the
conversation to help them

understand on their own, not
just like shout down their

throat.

It's like, hey, you got to like
Look at these tokens right.

Or you got to like look at
these monkey J pegs.

Or like you got to like do all
this shit.

So one thing with you, man like
you've found like First of all,

mad props to the GM show.

Dude, like I do, I do my show on
a weekly basis.

Like I don't know how the fuck
you do it on a daily basis.

That is very impressive.

Like thank you.

So when it came to that, like
where did, where did like the GM

show originate, man?

Like how did you guys come up
with that?

And like like what's kind of
been your North Star when doing

that show?

Because it seems like there's
got to be something that's

driving everyone to be that
consistent and to be that on

point.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it all
starts with my background in

hosting, right, like I was
hosting already since December

on Clubhouse, like, and then I
got 10 fd's in February 2021.

I was hosting every single day.

And then I moved to Twitter
spaces in June last year.

Then I started, like I've
hosted about thousand times,

literally like I'm up in the
multiple hundreds and high

hundreds, right, like maybe a
thousand spaces and clubhouses

put together, right, so I was
already doing it.

And then I found that rug radio
.

I came up with the idea of rug
radio on September 19th 2021 and

then I, you know, I founded it
and then, like you know, I've

got the team and Malhotpnil,
tokenomics and John off in a

bunch of people and then, like,
we launched our membership past

December 22nd.

Then we've officially launched
rug radio on January 11th 2022,

this year, and so I always
wanted to have a talk show.

I always wanted to have
something that's on the daily

basis.

I was already hosting every day
, already hosting, yeah, I was

only one or three times a day
already.

So it's nothing new to me,
right.

And so it's a Femando.

Like they came in and they were
like large investors in rug

radio and meaning like they
bought a bunch of NFTs.

They bought about what 180 NFTs
right early on.

They minted them and so and so
they really took a really big

bet on rug radio.

And then you're like for Oak,
like we want to host a show as

well and help elevate our
platforms.

Like, wait, like I want to host
a show too.

And it seems like you guys are
like extra spy you know what the

fuck you talk about.

Like you know, you guys are cool
and we became friends, let's

talk together and so, like early
March, jam and FT was born and

like this just holds five days a
week, 10, 30 to 12, every

single day, and because there's
never a dull day in the space,

there's always something to talk
about.

It's very topical and we love
the space and we're passionate,

and so the show has evolved ever
since and now it's really

become like this, like staple
show Within the web 3 nft

ecosystem in space that you kind
of like you get into web 3 and

crypto you hear about sorry, not
crypto.

Yeah, you hear about that radio
, right, because we've built a

very big like media dial and the
large media organization within

the web 3 ecosystem which is
kind of become like the force of

the people and then and then
now we have gem and ft's, which

has become huge.

But that's just one piece of
the pie, right.

Speaker 2: Bra, I'm telling you
because, like they're like,

especially right now, when
everyone's down bad, like

there's you got like the the
capitulation space, and then

there's your space, and like
those are the two spaces that

like are consistent.

Speaker 3: Yeah, you have 50
portal.

They're doing good too.

You know, right before us in
the morning it's fun Like

there's a lot of great content
being built.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like
what y'all did because I

remember for a while it was the
shiny show that did something

very similar to what y'all were
doing, like you know, like, and

that was like the show I tuned
into a lot, so it's like.

So I think it's really cool,
like when oh shiny, kind of like

, had to had to call it quits on
that man, that y'all kind of

like To me, it, you were just
like picking up where he left

off, because that's what it
feels like an extension of that.

Like oh shiny had something
really cool, you know.

Speaker 3: I mean the shiny show
, when you think about it too,

like was it a war and because oh
, shiny called me, like y'all

want to do a morning show, and
then, like it started within the

Rogue radio discord.

Yeah, originally it was crazy,
yeah, that's why we had had the

house of for oak discord.

It was called, and that's what
was called September and then we

were like yo, let's launch the
show and let's have it when it

lived within our discord.

It was crazy, dude, and so it
was like a credit, like we've

really like it's.

When you look into the early
days and look at early messages

and stuff, it's crazy to think
about how like things like start

like slowly coming together.

Speaker 2: Yeah, man, like it's.

It's because I I know when,
when these talked a lot, a lot

about like the punks discord,
about like how he found all of

his knowledge about just Just
random questions, people asking

that's where a lot of like shit
happened.

It was in those, was in those
like early days, did like early.

I say early days like like it's
like a two or three years ago.

You know what I mean, but it's
like.

That to me is like when a lot
of things started.

So one another question I had,
though, man, is it like when it

comes to like the decentralized
Whoa?

Excuse me, uh, I just I had
chick-fil-a before this man, um,

so had to get the Lord's
chicken before I?

You know, you don't do not have
that.

Speaker 3: No, bro, we don't
have this in Montreal.

Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I'm sorry,
man Um.

Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

I mean, you got to get the
Lord's it's.

I always make the mistake of
not getting at least once a week

before Sunday, and then you
always want it on Sunday.

It's like you want the Lord's
chicken on Sunday.

It's on a Sunday, um bro.

So G like rug radio and this
decentralized like media, like

One thing that like I I, I
thought of myself before this.

It was like Like did you ever
have Was there any, any ever?

Any kind of like, hey, this is
like what I want to build in the

future, but like the tools
necessarily weren't there, did

you kind of like have?

Is this something that you've
always like want to do?

Speaker 3: is like build this
like, maybe not necessarily

using the same verbiage of like
decentralized media, because

that wasn't really I've been
talking about billion media

empire ecosystem for 10 years
now, like if you go back to my

early instagram post and my
personal page and scroll all the

way down.

You'll talk about that a lot.

I've always dreamed of having
this media ecosystem that will

help like elevate, uplift voices
across the world.

This was always my mission.

Some 14 years old, I started my
tumble because of that, though

it was more about luxury and
planning out.

But what I love is that we can
have people from all places, all

beliefs, everyone talk about
one topic and be down for it and

love it, like passion for quote
, for cars, for high for, for,

for, for Find craftsmanship, for
architecture, for art, things

like that.

So I was always down with that.

It was always rolling with that
, so it wasn't decentralized per

se, but I was always thinking
about that.

But then crypto and then ft is
like months in.

I'm thinking, wow, like how can
I build a media company that

will bring value back the most
important people who are the

creators, so they're educators
and the participants for their

people, like you that will be
down there in the audience

listening to the show Every
morning.

How do I manage to reward you?

Because there's no space, which
is a problem Right, radio is

trying to solve.

There's an issue with two
things distribution of content

and distribution of revenue.

Right, yeah, the revenue never
accrues back to the creators and

even less of the participant,
because they're just a bunch of

consumers.

Yeah, see, when we're free is
different flips the script

Participants, creators, and then
the platform that increase the

value, because the network adds
value to the one thing, which is

rug radio by the end of day,
and starts with the listener and

the people that are creating
content.

So, yeah, it allowed me to
rethink outside the box and to

apply all the things I've
learned for 10 years on the how

to Build an ecosystem, how to
gather large crowds and millions

of people into one spot.

But now I fixed a problem of
managing to to sorry, that was

like I don't know how to turn
this off, but let me just close

everything up.

But then and so and to able to
like really bring value back to

the, to the people that are like
Adding value to the platform,

because, for yours, I've a
platform and Instagram platform,

I've a platform and Facebook,
whatever you want to name it,

but we don't get shit out of
that.

They're the ones getting
billions of dollars of

valuations and trillions of
dollars, but, like you're the

people that are bringing all the
value to them.

So it's a lot of different,
like it's really almost like a

Years and years and years and
years and years of trying,

building, doing things, failing,
falling, building a business,

making money, not making money,
like up and downs, like, and

then you're like, wow, like this
, is it Right?

This is a space in which, like,
we're building a layer on top

of the internet via the
blockchain, right, where we can

actually own the narrative and
things can change.

So, really, like, I know it's a
lot, but it's just like, once

you get my brain started, like
it's like, and I think about

this every day, like yesterday
on the show we had standing

kool-a-chop.

Founder of Ave.

Co-founder of Ave and I'm not
following last protocol with

three social media, and so it's.

I love like when, like, we
think about it this way Like how

can people own their IP, own
their content for real not just

buzzwords and build a place
where everybody can, can get

rewarded for participating
within the ecosystem and dude.

Speaker 2: Like, because I'll
tell you I again.

I came from the twitch world.

I came from.

It took me a long time it
actually took me about six

months of like participating in
the space before I realized it.

Like On social media, like I am
the fucking product.

You know what I mean.

Like I it took me a long time
to realize it.

Like, oh, my identity isn't
actually mine.

Or like this, this asset.

Yeah, I'm just fucking renting
it like I'm renting it.

Speaker 3: You can just put that
in your account, then you're

nobody.

Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly,
exactly yeah.

And that's been the hardest
part to like Break for me, to

like break down with people is
that you know, people, there's

actually this real I can't
remember where I heard it and so

I'm gonna be a really bad
Steward and not On the Joe Rogan

show, where they were talking
about like virtual, like real

life and your life on on the
internet.

And Joe Rogan kept saying, well
, in real life, and mark was

like, hey, like, I actually look
at real life as the, the

combination Of our digital and
our, our physical lives together

, and that's what real life
actually is.

And that actually struck a core
with me, because there's always

this split difference of, like,
our internet life is real but

it's not real.

And then there's real life that
you know we we're not as

excited to participate in.

I mean, I fucking love grass, I
touch it all the time, but like

, like, there's this.

There is this distinct
difference.

I mean.

Speaker 3: I don't, oh, no,
sorry.

Speaker 2: I used to man, I used
to um, I've been, I've been

sober for nine years.

King like it.

Wow, yeah, beautiful.

I love the stories, dude.

It's.

It's actually very ironic for a
space.

That's like very, very good
they're at time it's like very

drug-free like very psychedelic
and that was like a lot of what

I dabbled in for a while.

So like I mean I fuck with it.

So like when y'all are talking
about this, I'm, like, you know,

on the same page, that's I.

I may not talk as much, I may
not like because it's not the

message I really want to share
being being in my position, but

that's kind of what allows me to
like Be able to hang and keep

up because I'm like, yeah, I get
it dude, like I understand and

it's, it's totally okay and I'm
still like a massive supporter

of it.

It's just not something that
like I can.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to react
to yeah, dude, but like.

Speaker 2: So I thought I found
that really interesting, because

that's one of the hardest parts
to Get like crack the nut with

people is that, like man, you
spend all your time on facebook,

while you're hanging out with
your friends, engaging in your

likes and your comments, but you
still don't think your digital

identity is valuable.

You know what I mean?

And it's like we're hanging out
and we're doing all these

things and we're but we're, but
we're distracted all the time

here.

So why the fuck does this like?

You know what I mean where it's
like damn, like we actually

have something real here, but
you have this really distinct

difference of real life versus
digital life, and one not being

relevant and real or not.

So I don't mean that's.

I went off on a complete
tangent there, but that's been

like yeah the.

The biggest thing for me is that
, like, how do I get people to

like Loosen up a little bit on
this?

And maybe it's targeting the
wrong people, or maybe it's like

these people aren't early
movers, or maybe these people

like they just need to have it
all laid out for them, which is

completely okay.

You know what I mean and I
think that's been the biggest

challenge with me and I'd like
to hear your, your challenge as

well.

But the biggest challenge for
me is understanding when to like

shut up about it versus like
when to like really, really

engage and ask like really
thoughtful questions.

And some people just like.

The biggest thing I learned is
some people just are not

supposed to be early, and so I
think that's a great question,

something.

You know what I mean and it
just you.

You, you may just not be an
early mover, and that's

completely okay, and it's been
really hard to like figure that

out.

By the way, real quick, before
I'm going to interrupt that sick

fucking Zaid.

Zaid Pepe on the wall.

Dude, it'll be a little bit
after this episode, but his, I

actually sat down with him two
weeks ago.

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's.

I love him.

He's fun, he's.

I got the whole fucking print
of your dough and I got the

people right under it.

Speaker 2: Dude, what an honor
man, I love Zaid.

Dude, he's the man.

But yeah, what's been like when
it comes to you onboarding

people, is that kind of like
your channel that through, like

the GM show or like how do you
do it on like an individual

basis?

What's been like one of the
biggest.

Speaker 3: Power creators,
because creators are the most

important people.

Who's the most important people
in society?

Teachers?

Who's the most underpaid people
in society?

Teachers those are creators.

When you think about it, and
within the Web3, nft space and

whatnot, like, you have to
empower creators, where the

teachers that are going to board
the next 100 million people

into the space.

If you want to be able to, if
you want to be able to onboard

these millions of people, right.

So if you have to empower them,
you have to give them the tools

.

That's what we do.

When you think about, a real
video is nothing more but just

like on top of a whole tech
company that allows, enables,

media, on top of the blockchain,
and then in all these like

distribution and revenue
mechanisms right, yeah, I talked

about.

Well, on top of that, your
production, distribution of

content right, and you help
creators like yourself, like,

get empowered through a network
that we built and that we are

doing over time, with an
ecosystem that I like to think

will only get bigger every
single day, and it is numbers

online, like you know, like the
following is the impressions

everything's going up in the
multitude of percentage, huge,

like impressions on the video
count is up 900% month over

month, right now, and so and so,
yeah, and like you know so.

So it's just like and these are
all numbers, right, Like, so

they're there and hard, hard
numbers and so, and so you know,

I think I like to think and
this is how we're going to do it

and this is how we're trying to
.

That's kind of like how we're
doing is just for real.

It's like behind me and I'm
just a creator within the rugby

to, because my show is just
another show Now, yes, it is the

biggest one for now, but like,
hopefully one day we're not like

fucking 50 of those, right, and
so again, they went three to

five years.

You're going to look at the
grid.

There's decentralized ecosystem
and I'm just going to be

another participant within the
network, right?

So that's kind of how I'm
approaching it.

Speaker 2: I like them, and so
the goal is to kind of like

start out.

I mean, obviously I think
things have to start out with

some degree of centralization
before they can.

Speaker 3: Yeah, just slowly,
man, you have the anchor, show

everything.

And now you're seeing on a
reader, we're starting to add

layers to it and that's it,
Until it's so big that, like

everybody just sits one, like
literally.

That's the goal, yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and so quite.

I saw I was reading a little
bit on the website when it comes

to regret it, how, like so,
when it comes to the reward

system, like how is that?

How are people rewarded by like
the number of shows?

Like how is that tracked?

That's been the one thing that,
like, I was a little lost on

when I saw that and I just I
found it's good.

Speaker 3: You asked me this
because that way, I can go ahead

and fix it and make sure that
we expand even better.

Right, there's a lot of
resources there and I like to

think it's pretty
straightforward, but that means

you can only make it better,
right?

So that's good.

I like that.

And I always ask people, like
when they join, like so, was it

easy?

So the other week I had a
meeting with the creators.

Like, yeah, I understood right
away, but if someone tells me

like there's some things that
they don't get, like that means

I have to like even better in
the explanation.

So, point being is, our creators
, when they're on board, they

get a host pass, and it was your
C7 21, a 7, 20 m, fully

composable on chain NFT, which
means that it evolves, right,

and it's close, sort of like.

So as a passport on the
blockchain, like our membership

passes, but anyways, so
basically, you get a host pass

depending on if you host daily,
which is five days a week,

weekly, which is one to two
times a week, and then at the

Hawk, monthly, like whenever you
want, right, you can come in

and come out, and as long as you
host once a month, right, which

everybody has their you know
differences, and so basically,

they all these NFTs, the whole
specific to yield token, the

yield, our native token, which
is rug token right, are you

cheap?

And so, basically, these tokens
are yielded on a daily basis and

then, depending on how much you
host your frequency, then you

get more or less, and then, on a
three month basis, get a bonus

for doing so, which is really
cool, right, and then those

tokens can be swapped for, like
our doubt tokens, just

governance over the whole, like
infrastructure for radio, which

is really cool.

On top of that, we have a reward
program that has been in place

as a three week, so that we
launched in beta as a matter of

fact, I'm posting updates about
in the next 24 hours until our

discord, because it's been going
really well and so, and so we

have a beta group of five people
that were then opening to like

2550 500,000 people, and we're
really building around the whole

Twitter API where you're going
to be able to be rewarded for

hosting, for liking, for sharing
, for rating five stars, and

then platform, like all these
different things, and then you

can get all these rock tokens
and with the rock tokens, you're

going to be able to redeem them
for different things.

But there's time with people,
whether it's fucking like merge,

whether it's NFTs, like a bunch
of different things, so we're

really building a whole
ecosystem.

So that's why at first, like
it's harder for people to grasp

onto it because you don't have
them yet.

But as we grow only nine months-
old, like it's like maybe it

takes nine months to be born,
bro, think about it.

And then it's born, and then
everything comes to life right.

And so, from conception to
where we are now, like you know,

like it's, like, it's really
cool, and so, yeah, that's how

they get rewarded, man, and they
got a bunch of perks on top of

that.

Like we're sponsoring my
reverse Miami in Miami and we do

a lot of on conferences with
our own events.

Well, guess what?

I place our host first, like I
give first day of store host if

they want to be able to speak
and get some stage time, and we

help them with the production of
content, the clips, the

branding, everything slapping
the rug radio brand on top of

the show.

It helps them because I like to
think we've built a reputable

brand with a brand within the
web three ecosystem.

So it's all these things and
it's a lot and it's beautiful.

So I'm happy to ask me that
because I'm able to like, really

explain.

Does that make more sense now?

Speaker 2: No, that does.

Because I was wondering.

I'm like okay, how does it, how
does it track?

All my hood, you answered it,
but it's like the question and

it was like how is it tracked?

Or how is that like, do they
just?

You know, I hate to think about
this like when you're like

clocking into a job, you just
like my thought was like okay, I

just click when I've hosted a
show, but like that creates

that's not the right model.

I was like that that was where
the disconnect was.

Speaker 3: It's like we have our
own platform that's being built

.

It's been built for months.

We invested money out of the
primary sales.

That's going to be a fully web
three platform.

She's like a content aggregator
of all the content being

created within a video and, in a
way, you'll be able to clock in

as a host, because you'll be
able to go on that portal,

redeem your rug token for
hosting, but the same time, fill

in that you take your show,
whether it's on YouTube, which

Twitter spaces and wherever it
is, and you can be able to clock

it into the platform and get
rewarded for doing so.

So, in a way, like it's all
moving on chain, so even all the

content Is going to be stored
on chain as well.

So we're really heading towards
that all while you can also

create a web two platforms,
because you can't neglect the

web two platforms.

That's where all the attention
is.

You can't say you can only hold
on that platform.

Nobody's gonna fucking listen
to it.

I'm not gonna start with my
show on our own platform,

twitter.

What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna
upload it onto there and if

people want rewards more out of
it than just to go on Spotify

and listen to it Some people
want that.

Some people won't be able to
participate.

Get quizzes, learn to earn and
get more out of this.

That's what's going to offer.

Is like an extra.

It's a perk.

Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, so I had
no idea of any of that's that.

Like I know, I really
appreciate that break time.

Speaker 3: That's pretty fucking
cool, man, because like working

baby dude, work building yeah,
I mean like this, this

motherfucker is actually
building Building.

Speaker 2: Man, yeah, dude, yeah
, right, um, it's been a while

since I've seen the hands.

Yes, no, I think that's still
because, like that's what a

narrative I see a lot here.

Man, is that like, oh man, fuck
the web two platforms like you

can't really say that because
they still handle all the

distribution right, like that,
that's one of the biggest

problems that they solve is
distribution.

Now, you don't own your
identity, but you, like you,

can't live without it.

I mean that's.

I'm glad you really clarified
that, because that's something I

get so irritated about.

When it comes to like Web three
, like I don't know, like I

don't know if it's a Web three
maxi, I feel like I'm a Web

three maxi, but like people that
are just so far down this one

one narrative that, like you,
can only be this and nothing

else.

You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: It has to be agnostic
or platform agnostic that's

really the word.

Speaker 2: Dude.

That's.

That's insane man, something
that, so something.

I they're doing something
similar, but they're not doing

the same thing as y'all that
y'all are doing.

But I noticed that, like with
Jenkins you know Jenkins, the

Valley project, like they're
what.

What made me actually really
excited about like their project

is that, you know, outside of
the Azarbala art that was that

was, that was an event.

I loved it.

I know I thought it was like I
didn't see up, I didn't see all

the hay.

Speaker 3: You were on my show
last week.

They're good people.

I had them all.

I had them all in the show.

We talked about the art, but
now see the decentralizing, even

the decisions in the art,
because they're getting people

to vote on what they want.

So that's you know, that's what
makes me.

Speaker 2: So that's what makes
me, because I've had Jenkins on.

I had him and Nadella on.

Speaker 3: I have 10 of their
NFTs.

I like that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, man, they're,
they're, they're fucking awesome

.

But that was like.

What made me so bullish on them
is that they not only were they

creating this like fun project
for people To like license their

own characters, that was like
revolutionary, you know,

especially at the time.

But the fact that, like,
they're building all these tools

to allow decisions to be made
by the community and it's on

chain, it's, it's, it's, it's
and they just slowly fade into

the background, like that's why
fucking love them.

And like, even though they were
like the laughing stock on

Twitter for a while, like I know
that team you got it with the

yeah in.

That brings me to like a,
something I was also curious

about with you, man.

It's like you have kind of been
like the punching bag of

Twitter for a long time.

You know what I mean.

What is, what it is?

Okay, I was wondering, like how
much that actually affected you

, because you seem like you like
you actually lean into it

really well with just fucking
memeing it and like making a

joke of it it just makes me
better.

Speaker 3: Like at the end of
the day, like you know what your

intentions are, you know what
you're trying to build.

Like you asked me a question
but I can answer within two

seconds why?

Yeah, I don't have a fucking
script in front of me, bro, I

don't practice.

I go off the meeting, I come
into this one, I'll go into

another meeting and when I'm
done with you, you know what I

mean.

Like I just like I know what
I'm talking about, I know what

I'm doing, I'm exactly what
we're building Right.

So, at the end of the day, like
when you know that it doesn't

matter what the court of public
opinion wants to say about you

because someone wants to spread
false information about your

page or a certain way.

Like you got to stay true to
yourself and you got to know in

your heart or hearts that you're
doing something good and keep

going.

Like you know what I mean.

Like look like I was one of the
first people that got really

fucking big in terms of like an
audience on spit on here, it was

me and D's.

At some point it was nobody
else.

Like literally, like there was
a few others, but like you can

count them on your hands.

Now there's 50 more, which is
great because it gets the

attention away from me, which I
fucking love, right.

But at the end of the day, like
you know, like we're out here

and trying to.

I like to think that we're
trying to build something that's

going to help the space get
pushed forward and, if you've

seen, like the sentiment is
completely 180, why?

Because they're like, wow, like
this guy's actually doing

something good.

And it took some time to get
there.

But you know, and it was tough,
there was a time where I was

like, fuck this shit, what am I
doing?

It's not worth my time or
energy, because, like, why would

I spend it on people who want
to just take you down?

But I was like, no, fuck this,
I'm gonna keep going.

I'm gonna keep building because
I know what I'm doing.

And look at us right now.

Like I was just doing some math
overnight last night, I haven't

been able to sleep this week
because, first of all, two

spades, but second of all,
because, like it's like one of

the biggest weeks ever at Rug
Radio, we're up 400% from our

lows.

Like our floor was at 0.09
eighth in July 26.

Not even three months ago.

We're back at 0.36 eighth.

The only reason I'm saying this
is because in the bear market,

with the 20k collection that's
not even PFPs we've managed to

flip a whole ecosystem around
and to help benefit our holders,

why, With execution, we don't
have a profile picture, so

people don't buy it based on
like, how it looks or what not.

People buy it based on the
results that are happening

behind the scenes and those
again back to numbers.

They don't lie and they're on
chain.

So it's all hard work.

You know what I mean and this
is why I'm really confident,

even more than ever, to answer
you when you say that, because

it's like for so long.

You know people want to misjudge
, mischaracterize, because they

want to like, especially when
the bear hit.

You know you go after everyone,
right, but I think when people

look under the hood and even
when you ask me I don't get this

, but what is it?

Boom, within five seconds I can
answer you and pretty clearly

right, no Ponzi novels here, and
so it's like.

You know it is what it is, man,
you just got to go through it.

You know it is.

And if only the only people
will leave are the people who,

like, were probably bad actors
in the first place because they

had something high, you know.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's
what I've been learning.

So I so kind of going back to a
little bit of part of my

journey, like when I came in
here, this is all brand new to

me.

Number one being in financial
markets was something I was like

willfully ignorant to for a
long time until this space

actually got me curious about it
.

So it's like it actually a
really it's actually done a lot

more for me than I think I
realized.

But you know, when I came in
was in March, and so it was

still like kind of bear market
buys.

People had just made that
historic sale.

But I think that was like this,
like this trigger moment where,

like it got everyone curious.

And then, of course, you know,
apes happened, then August

happened and you know.

So I've really only known up,
only you know what I mean.

So it's like it's, it's, it's
really.

Speaker 3: I mean, what do you
think about it?

Like when I came in February,
we've only known up only, and

then we got just slapped in the
face.

Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, this is
fucking hard man.

Like I thought I was going to
handle it way, but like there's

been moments where I'm like damn
, like this fucking sucks, like

this is, this is bad, you know.

Speaker 3: I didn't think I
would be disaffected by it, you

know, dude?

Speaker 2: but yeah, because I
and that's what I've noticed is

that I'm but secretly also at
the same time, I was broke as

fuck when I came in here.

So I'm like, see, girl, I'm
like yo, I believe in this shit

so much.

Let everything go on sale so
then I can finally afford.

Like, like, let you go to $50.

Like, I don't give a shit, man,
because like that means I could

stack as much as I want and buy
all the art that I want.

Speaker 3: It's all about the
long term.

You know, you just got to hang
tight stuff.

It's hard, easier to stay than
done.

But even for us, like, look, we
have to build through this and

and our holders are affected.

Because everybody's affected.

I'm affected, but I had to put
that aside and be like yo.

I'm going to focus on what I'm
trying to do.

So that's why I don't leave
this office.

I just like get it done every
day.

You know, that's it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's
all, that's all you can do.

I mean because, like, but you
said it, you said it perfectly,

though it's like I said all of
this, you know, when it was up

only, and I was just getting
tired of all the shenanigans

that were like, as much as I
enjoyed it, you know, November,

December, I started to get like
burn the fuck out on all the up.

Only, yeah, I'm like this is,
this is just toxic, man, at this

point, Like I just became so
disinterested even before the

bear hit.

But you know, switching gears
to like you know, I've

interviewed primarily artists on
this podcast, man, Like I've

seen you collect from a few men,
so I wanted to.

I wanted to ask, like, who are
some of the favorites that

you've collected from man?

Speaker 3: Bro, I'm not
answering that.

No because I have a lot like.

I have a lot of art, I have a
lot of additions.

But here I've been, people giga
chat, which I love.

People you know say that's a
pepe.

So it goes back to my pepe
collection, which is really

impressive.

I'm really proud of it.

I was like the rare pepe
Nakamoto card, the Grail of

Grails yeah, start at the cart,
the cart that started the NFC

has started at all.

I have X copy, the doomed,
which I love, which in addition

to the hundred 2018 X copy
pretty hard to come about, very,

very rare that people list
those because 2018 is his

Genesis, one origin collection
ever.

His first man on Norwegian, one
of his first men ever Like.

So it's up there.

I have my punk I'm very proud
of.

You know, when it comes to art,
it is art, fine art, if you ask

me.

Speaker 2: I'm telling you, yeah
, yeah, that's the hardest thing

to explain to people.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I pick up, dude
, I pick up a bunch of art all

the time from photographers I
like, you know.

I like Jared Gammo, I like
Terrell Dome, like Terrell Jones

, I, you know, I just there's a
bunch of you know.

I like Swahid El Smiles, I like
a bunch of photographers I

collect from.

You can't see it, but you have
a John Noff print, but you can

see, it's just there.

It's like this big.

I have some fewer collections.

You know I love artifact stuff,
like just a lot of artists that

I love, you know, and that's
like I can't name it like, thank

you, I don't have a one-of-one,
it's expensive.

I have a bunch of editions like
right, granders, and so I've

collected, man, hundreds of
pieces of art.

I'm mostly a big editions guy
because I just love being able

to afford a piece of art and
enjoy it for the art.

But you know a lot of it.

Speaker 2: That's kind of.

It's good to hear that too,
because, like I, I a lot, of, a

lot of the art I own in our
editions.

There's a couple of one-of-ones
that I own that are super

special to me, but a lot of it's
just like damn.

It's almost kind of like a hat,
a hat tip to like damn, I want

editions but like I just can't
afford the one-of-ones like it's

it's.

Speaker 3: So what?

Like I bought an edition of 69
Rare Pepe the other day Fake

Rare from OSF, like you know,
like his one-of-ones were for 40

ETH, like, but that that that
that one was going for much less

because it's in the edition of
69, but like, hey, it's still in

the edition of 69, like you, go
figure that one day, like

there's gonna be thousands of
people that want to collect this

stuff.

Like you know, those editions
are like my Pepe collection is

insane, like my Fake Rare
collection.

Speaker 2: I remember when you
started going down the rabbit

hole of that man, like that was,
yeah, you've got, you've got, I

love this shit, I I could read
you all the artists I'm

collecting from there, but it's,
it's actually pretty wild.

Speaker 3: Like I have a lot of
it, like I'm just like, I just

you know, it's just like, I love
it.

Like you know whether I have
the Katzmer one, the Ox, tejo,

tejo, I have the Compepe Grand
Yule, you know whether it's,

whether Seerlight, or you know
Otherworld, demigiac or ACK,

Killer Acid or EVVD, jakaido,
like, alien, queen, cake Free,

Claire, silver, like, and you
know, and then goes on.

Like these are all my favorite
artists, all of them.

Right that dropped editions I
got all of them.

Speaker 2: That's fucking sick
man.

Yeah, you're one of many right,
like it's, like it's it's, it's

cool there was, so it was
interesting.

Zade actually asked me the
question.

He was like you know, like what
, what made it?

And I feel like it's relevant
to this and he's like what makes

it.

You know he's like I'm still a
physical art kind of guy.

Like I like mostly physical
stuff.

So, like I don't fully
understand some of the like why

do you, why do you like to own
NFTs?

Like you can't really display
it that well outside of some of

the digital displays.

I was like for me, though it's
I've been such a people person

my whole life.

Like I almost value the person
over the art and it's like it's

a bet that I take on the person
where it's like if I like the

person, it's just a given that
they create really good art.

You know what I mean Like, and
so that's like what I value.

I'm like the fact that I get to
have this close of a connection

with this many people and like
be able to have one to one

moments with the artists that I
really love to collect from.

That's what does it for me and
the fact that, like I just kind

of like what you were talking
about.

You know I'm not going to miss
this.

Like I never really collected a
whole lot prior to this, like I

don't I don't I never really
like.

I mean, I'm sure I collected a
few Halo action figures.

I collected a few like yeah.

I did, but not like it would.

They were fads that like died
out.

There's nothing that I've
really kind of stuck, stuck with

the entire time and this was
like that first moment where

I've always been super, I like
going super down the rabbit hole

, especially when it comes to
feelings and spirituality and

introspection and stuff like
that.

And so that's what I told him
is like this is the one space

where I found an endless rabbit
hole that will never end, of

people who are constantly
searching and asking questions

and like creating, creating
visual or audible or whatever

representation of that search
for like these questions and

like that to me is just so
fucking cool.

Like I had Victor Mosquera on.

And like dude.

I like that was.

So I actually met him at NFT
NYC at time and like we just

bullshit about video games for
like 20 minutes and then I shot

him an invite to come on and
that was one of my favorite

chats because what he was
talking about with his art he

was like I want people to
essentially have a psychedelic

experience without ever having
to ingest psychedelics to view

my art.

I'm like we had this like
fucking moment.

I'm like that is that's it dude
, like that is so it man.

And like I think for me that's
just been my favorite part is

that Number one, I get to have
these like really cool moments

of people that are Like usually
very sensitive, usually very

like introspective and like you
know, give, give these people a

platform and get to like just to
be a fucking patron of, of

something that, like I really
believe in.

You know what I mean.

So that's like I'm just like
dude.

Now it's like unlimited and I
don't have a physical limitation

to like store all of this Shit.

You know what I mean Because I
still live in a shoebox.

You know what I mean.

I'm recording in my fucking
bedroom, right.

So like that's been one of my
big Things about like just man,

like this space is so fucking
cool, dude.

Speaker 3: It is, bro, it is,
it's amazing.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

So something I've been Like, to
be honest, the past couple

months and it started like back
in December Like I've been

pretty jaded on most like pfp
projects and it just I like it's

hard for me to get interested
in it, it's hard for me to like,

you know, I'm just like part of
me, I'm just going through this

phase where I'm just over it,
you know, and I'm like, okay,

what's what's next?

And so something like you've
been, I've been seeing a lot on

your shows that you guys have
Really been kind of dabbling and

bringing more projects on that
are building during this bear

market.

So I wanted to Get a prediction
or kind of a prediction of like

, when it comes to like, what do
you think the next, what do you

think is going to help spark
the next boron?

Not maybe what's going to do it
, but what do you?

What are people building now?

That is like an evolution of
what we had before.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's
listen, bro.

First of all, the
macroeconomics are terrible, so

yeah yeah.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

So that's like the most
important thing to understand.

So, once you've acknowledged
that, what's gonna what's gonna

be part of the next boron is
people that are solving real

world problems.

Pfp is not solving real world
problem.

Now, I like pfp's that when you
look under the hood you have a

company being built 90% of them.

There's nothing being built.

You look under your hood of
rung radio Like holy fuck,

there's something to happen in
there.

When I look at what osf and
mandor are doing with their dj's

access pass, I'm like wow,
because I know where they're

headed.

When it comes like building,
like, uh, you know bunch of

really cool things that You're
gonna want people are gonna use

its product at the end of the
day, okay, like in web two, you

have a bunch of great products
yeah, we just don't have the

ownership right.

And web three, you can have
ownership over those products,

but there's subscription models,
which is a bunch of different

things and like whether it's
solving the distribution of

content they're in thing whether
it's aggregating and creating

content, aggregating, creating
art, whatever.

So you know, I'm more bullish
on on the people who are focused

on building products and on
operating, operating, operating

and answering solutions,
bringing solutions to problems,

the real world problem that we
can actually solve, not just

like not everything's to be what
three Right, not everything's

to be crypto or blockchain, but
there are some real world

problems that we can fix with
this technology because it's a

layer that's being built on top
of the internet, and so I'm

bullish on the people doing that
Right.

Yeah, yeah, some ip's will hit,
it's sure, of course, but it's

not all gonna be happy.

99.99% of the thesis in last
year was ip based pfp's.

What does that mean?

Speaker 2: It was exciting at
the time, though, like I

remember thinking like oh, I was
in, I was in, good I've made

money.

Speaker 3: I've lost money.

I've invested all of them after
200 ft.

So I'm it's not a critic of
people.

Yeah.

I'm just saying the space has
grown and matured over the bear

market.

So, if you ask me right now,
what I'm looking towards in the

future Is the small cap NFTs,
and I've been seeing this for

months on the show.

Rock radio is one of them.

We were at point money for the
longest time, like three or four

months ago, right, and you look
at the small cap NFTs that are

actually trying to deliver a
product and while managing to

accrue value back to their
tokens the erc721s right, the

NFTs You've sold to people,
right and value doesn't mean

money, doesn't just mean up only
your price action.

Value can mean a lot of
different things.

You know, and so and so, and so
I think this is important like

value for us.

We drive a lot of attention, we
drive a lot of of of trust

towards the brand we
distribution Fuse.

You know we bring a lot of.

You know it's just knowledge,
education, entertainment, like

all these things you know.

Speaker 2: I think it's a good.

I like that man.

It's a great spot to end it too
, because I know, I know we both

got to run, but man, that's
yeah, that's a mic drop to leave

it on, man.

I fucking love that Frog.

Speaker 3: This has been a
pleasure Dude, I feel good man,

this was like um, you have some
good questions, bro, Like it's

like, just comfy, just answer a
nice little Friday afternoon man

Like dude comfy is like.

Speaker 2: That is like.

Anytime I start a conversation,
that's like.

Exactly what I go for is like
that's like always, like my

north star, like the questions
Will come when the vibe with

like when the north star sets.

Speaker 3: That should be.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's.

I fucking love that, dude.

I'm a big wintertime guy too,
because it's like I'm about

being comfy, it's like when it's
hot in the summer I'm in Texas,

dude, you know.

Speaker 3: So it's like oh yeah,
so hot bro you.

Speaker 2: Austin nice.

So you, you came here during
south by you know, um, it's hot,

it was, that was, that was hot
as shit.

And then consensus as well was
ridiculous.

I'm not sure if you were there
either, but I wasn't, but I know

I heard dude.

It was brutal.

So I'm I'm one of those people
that hibernates in the summer

and comes out in the winter
because, like I can get more

Comfy in the cold, I can't get
more comfy in the hot.

Like I just can't.

I can't fucking do it so comfy.

I'm glad we got that dude broke
, like For the people who are

not in web 3.

I'm sure there's a few people
not in web 3 at listen to my

podcast.

Where can people find you?

Where do you want people to go
first?

Speaker 3: Literally for rock on
every platform f a r, o k, h.

Uh, it's written there but it's
mostly, like you know, twitter

for oak on twitter.

Um, but I'm for oak on every
platform school, but it's just

like, literally twitter, uh, the
best.

I'm Very, very, very, very,
very, very active on twitter,

but the morning show in my link
and buy on twitter there's it's

across like amazon, spotify,
youtube and and and and apple,

but gm and f?

T's like if you google that,
usually you find it, or gm and f

t's on like the first result
usually on google, spotify, all

these things.

It's also a good resource for
people who just want to learn

about the space and not have to
like.

If you don't want to Be on
twitter because it's noisy, just

listen to our show every day,
like five days a week, like

you'll get all the information
because it's topical.

I come up, we come to.

The title was like not even 24
hours before, like maybe 16

hours before, because we make
sure that we wait until the last

minute, like before going to
bed almost, to post it up

because, like, we want to catch
as much stuff, right?

Speaker 2: So you guys remind me
a lot of like what south park

does with like seven days.

If, like, south park makes
every single episode a week in

advance, like they they make
every.

Speaker 3: I didn't know what I
was gonna have, but I I'm a.

I'm a south park maxi.

Speaker 2: That's.

That's why they're so culture
like.

I always wonder why they're so
culturally relevant to like what

was happening.

It's like because they
literally make every show a week

in advance, like that's it.

Yeah, so like real quick before
we head out.

So a fun fact is the when it
came we were not gonna get into

it, but when the election was
going on they actually delayed

in a week on the episode.

You guys, they made two
episodes, one if one candidate

one and one if the other
candidate one, and so that was

gonna base the entire story.

So it's like if the other one
won, then they had a whole

fucking narrative to go along
with.

You know, if they won.

So that's why they delayed it.

That's all the only time they
did that.

Incredible that you just the
level of creativity in such a

short period of time.

Speaker 3: So buddy bro, there's
nothing better like if you want

to just chill, relax and do
nothing.

You know South Park man.

It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
love it.

It's my childhood Like he's the
one all the time.

Speaker 2: Love it, dude, love
it man, we'll throw.

This has been an absolute treat
.

Thank you so much for coming on
, man, I know you.

I know, yeah, yeah, that's it,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep

repeating it, so you have a good
rest of your day, man.

Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man
.

Thank you so much 100 man.

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