Speaker 1: GM.

This is Boone and you're
listening to Vaulted, a web 3

podcast series from the Schiller
Archives.

This episode was originally
recorded on February 4th 2022

and features lens-based artists
and marine biologist, nadine

Bauer.

This was Nadine's first ever
podcast.

We discovered her love for
diving, how she found

photography and how she's
navigated the web 3 ecosystem.

We dived deep into a few of my
favorite pieces and we round

everything off with her
aspirations as an artist and a

scientist.

As always, this podcast is
created for entertainment

purposes only and should not be
interpreted as financial advice.

Boone and guest may own NFTs
discussed.

Now it's time to get comfy as
we explore the depths of

Nadine's story.

Good evening, nadine.

How are you?

Speaker 2: Hi, I'm good.

How are you?

Speaker 1: I'm doing good.

Thank you for coming on the
podcast.

I know you're not currently at
home and so thank you for making

some time and making some
arrangements to make this

interview.

Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for
having me.

I'm feeling very honored to be
on your podcast.

Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you,
yeah, I just want to give the

audience a quick introduction.

I want you to give yourself a
quick introduction, like who you

are and what are you doing.

What do you do for a living?

Speaker 2: All right, so I'm
Nadine.

I'm actually a biologist from
Germany, so, yeah, I studied the

last five years of biology.

I graduated from university in
March last year and then I

decided to leave Germany and to
pursue my passion as a diver and

photographer, so I moved to
Mexico.

I lived there for the past five
months and, yeah, now I'm in

the States.

I'm currently a bit traveling
before I hopefully find a job,

or, yeah, we will see what's
happening.

Speaker 1: That's right.

How long have you been like in
the NFT or the Web3 community?

Speaker 2: I tried Twitter at
the beginning of July but I just

randomly shared my posts or my
content on Twitter with no

purpose, behind going into NFTs.

And when I went to Mexico there
were a few weeks where I

couldn't die because the weather
was so bad.

And then the spaces and Twitter
popped up and they joined as a

listener and at some point I
guess at the beginning of

September, I decided to give it
a try and, yeah, I minted

something on OpenSea and then in
October something on Foundation

.

I guess that was my start into
the NFT.

Speaker 1: That's very cool and
I think I love hearing people's

like introduction stories when
they've come here, because it

was very like it's almost like
everyone comes in here a similar

way.

It's almost kind of like we
just stumbled upon something,

and so the fact that you've like
amassed like a following of

like 10,000 people on Twitter
and you've only been here since

July, that's pretty incredible.

It's really cool to see the
amount of growth that artists

have in this space just from
publishing their work.

And I got to ask, before you
minted on OpenSea or Foundation

or any of the other platforms,
had you like done photography

work like in the past?

Did you ever sell that in the
past before?

Was this kind of like your
first shot?

Speaker 2: So really.

So as I was studying biology, I
actually never pursued

photography that much.

It was more like passion.

But I then started to realize
that I really want to do that

more, not more not only as a
hobby.

So I reached out, but it was
more like collaboration stuff.

So not really that I got paid
for that.

But when I was in Mexico I had
a few, few jobs, but nothing big

.

The NFTs is right now the only
thing in terms of photography

that I get in in come of that.

Speaker 1: That's really cool
because, like a reason I got

wanted to highlight that or
touch on that is because it

doesn't.

You know, I think sometimes at
least from the people that I've

chatted with, or whether they're
photographers or, excuse me,

whether they're just regular,
you know, like traditional

artists, I always get this
feeling that, like you know,

there's there is a barrier to
entry into NFTs.

But, like just to wanted to
highlight like you don't have to

have a lot of experience doing
what you've done, like you just

have to have a little bit of a
sort.

I'm looking for a little bit of
consistency and a lot of

authenticity.

You know, and people really
rally around that because

there's a, there's a different
type of culture here than what I

typically like to call like Web
2 or, like you know, the

typical way we've done things
before and it's just, it's

really cool to see that you know
, with such a short period of

time and without really kind of
just like stumbling upon it, you

know you've, you've like found
your way and made like a, made a

small name for yourself, and
are continuing to do it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just
kind of crazy that this was or

that this is possible.

That just happened and it's
kind of interesting because I

have more followers than Twitter
than on Instagram, where I

grind my ass off for years now.

That's really yeah.

Speaker 1: It's wild.

I got it.

So I got to ask before NFTs you
mentioned you were a biologist.

What was your career path when
you graduated university with

your biology degree?

What were you wanting to do
with that?

Speaker 2: So after high school
or while I was in high school, I

always was interested in
science and I actually always

wanted to study medicine.

But Germany, that's a bit
difficult to get in.

So I decided to go for biology
and after my A-levels I

immediately started.

So I, yeah, during my
bachelor's or my undergrad, I

had my bachelor's in plant
biochemistry and after that I

was like, yeah, maybe you should
work or maybe you should do my

master's.

But then I decided to do my
master's also straight away.

So during my master's then you
have to choose between different

fields and I got into human
biology.

So I did my master's thesis in
human biology, which was in the

human eye, glaucoma research,
which is very interesting topic

and was also very
straightforward.

I love my project with I did
research on.

But always then, before I did
my master's thesis, yeah, I went

one month traveling to
Indonesia and I totally fell in

love with diving and I was like,
damn, I just have a general

biology degree, not a marine
biology degree.

But I knew that I had to go
back.

So I did my master's thesis and
then I decided to try to give

it a try to get into marine
conservation, marine biology,

because I know that's possible.

A lot of biologists switched
their fields in their career, so

yeah, that's more or less it.

Speaker 1: Very cool.

That's, honestly what was very
curious about.

When I first came across you on
Twitter was like number one.

It was like the underwater
shots, which is something that I

hadn't seen yet.

But also it was like, oh cool,
she's a biologist and I was like

there's got to be some sort of
connection here with the

underwater animals and her
biology degree, and that's

really all.

I went with it.

I'm a simple guy.

I'm just like, oh cool, Marine
biologists, underwater animals,

neat, this is awesome.

I love this work.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but, as I said,
I'm actually not a marine

biologist, but I try to get in
to switch my field.

Gotcha, oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: I completely
misinterpreted that, but it's

just something that you're
wanting to do and like wanting

to hopefully get involved with
correct.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true that
Gotcha.

Speaker 1: Gotcha, that's
incredible.

And so, when it comes to some
of the work that you first meant

it like, when was it first on
foundation?

Was it first on open sea?

What was some of your first
shots?

And kind of tell us a little
bit about some of the process of

when you first meant your NFT,
like number one, what did that

feel like?

And number two, I'd love to
know when it came to your first

sale.

How cool was that or what was
it?

I guess I assumed what that was
going to be, but what was the

process like for like minting
and creating, and how long did

that take in between those two?

Speaker 2: All right.

So, yeah, I minted first on
open sea.

It was a collection out of
landscape photos.

I choose nine photos and they
were all shot back in Europe, so

basically in Germany, austria,
italy and Gran Canaria, and I

was like, okay, I wanted to
choose nine photos to see how it

all goes, because I didn't want
to really mint 20 or 30 pieces.

And then we're like, okay, it's
just one gets sold, so I just

choose nine to see how
everything's working.

And I've never had it was in
touch with crypto or NFT before,

so it was totally new, being
that she had, and yeah.

So basically these photos were
shot in Europe and over the last

one, two, three years and, yeah
, when I minted it, it was.

It was a weird feeling because I
I couldn't know how it is, all

of which are in, out or what's
happening or who's going to see

that and I know that I made a
space for that as well and I was

so nervous.

I quit that space two or three
times until until I guess it was

Justin.

He then said, okay, we're going
to do that, and then the end of

the space was two or three
hours.

So it was kind of cool.

And, yeah, I have my first sale
as well during that space.

So I guess after 30 or 40
minutes, yeah, one was a piece

was collected and was like wow
crazy.

I didn't expect that.

I was, of course, very happy,
yeah.

Speaker 1: That's very, that's
very cool Cause like it.

And it just just goes to show
like how, like I guess how

simple it really is, you know,
like it's it's hard work, like I

don't want to get, I don't want
to get like hard work and

simplicity confused, but like
it's kind of crazy like how, how

simple it can be or how it is
to to like you go into a space,

like you promote your work, you
hop into a space and you talk

about it for like two or three
hours.

You probably you quit like the
first couple of times when you

were doing that, because you're
probably really nervous.

I, I've had the same, it's a
very similar thing happened to

me.

It's so nerve wracking doing
that for the first time.

You know, and lo and behold, the
one that you decided to go

through, you get a sale.

Yeah, I think that's, I think
that's absolutely fantastic, you

know.

And so what has been like when
it comes to like the your first

sale?

Like do you keep or you know
and I see that there's been a

few more here Do you keep in
touch with your collectors?

Like, do you what's like the
realish relationship that you

have with your collectors?

And like, how, how does it.

I guess how does it feel having
like knowing that, like you,

are the artists and you have
collectors of your work?

Speaker 2: Ah, that's actually
that's an incredible feeling

because I know I can always
reach out to them when I have

questions and yeah, so some of
them I have a really good

relationship, I can call friends
, so that's that's kind of nice.

And always when I have
questions or if I want to have

an opinion, that's nice because
they're always open and give me

answers and or try to give me
answers and help me wherever

they can.

So, yeah, that's that's kind of
nice that they believe in one

and they are it and everything.

Speaker 1: Yeah and that's and
that's I like, because I've

heard a lot of different stories
, but it's nice to hear that

like from an artist directly
about, like the relationship

between the collectors, because,
like, I've heard some good

stories, you know, like that,
and I've also heard some like

stories where collectors are
like demanding that, like it be

a certain style, or it's going
to go down, or they're not going

to buy you know, no, no, that's
really cool.

So you, you had this, like you
had this like first collection.

It was on open sea, and so was
that like what launched you into

foundation, or like how long,
like how long did it take for

your entire collection to sell
out?

Speaker 2: Um, it took me around
two months.

So I had my first four sales
during the first one or two days

and then on my birthday I got
another sale and then, at the

beginning of oh, is it December?

And I went back I'm not sure I
was, I don't know.

It was December, beginning of
December I was.

I got sick and I laid in bed
the whole week, um, in Mexico,

and I didn't know what to do.

So it's been a lot of time on
Twitter and I don't know.

Within four hours they got the
last four sales and then the

collector was sold out and it
was like what?

Okay, that was kind of crazy.

So, yeah, um, and then, right
before, I guess one day before

my birthday, I was so thought
maybe it's a good idea to mint

something on foundation.

Um, yeah, that's basically it.

Speaker 1: Very cool?

No, very cool.

And so you know what's what's
interesting about, uh, you know

what's interesting about some of
your work here is that, like

you know, you, you start off
with the, you start off with

photography or like, with
landscaping.

I'm not saying photography, um,
it's all photography uh, but

you start off with landscape,
you know.

And then was there?

Was there any light?

Yeah, and I know you switched
into more underwater pictures.

Um, when it came to like diving
and like taking, you know,

taking pictures underwater, um,
was that something you had

already planned, when you had,
like, minted your first

collection or like, were you
kind of just like open to it, or

how did that really happen?

Yes, the transition from my
landscape to ocean.

Speaker 2: Um, it kind of really
happened.

So, um, I basically just have a
GoPro.

So before I left Germany, I
thought, okay, gopro is

sufficient enough for the first
time, um, since I I was a bit

scared to put my camera in a
housing as well, and housing are

quite expensive and they all
basically another camera you

have to carry with you.

And I was like, okay, gopro
does the thing as well.

And, um, yeah, so I started to
minting that collection because

I had this photos already and,
um, just um curated them and

looked what kind of photos I
wanted to use.

But during the time in Mexico, I
had the ability, um, not only

to dive in the ocean but also in
a synodis, and I got a few good

photos there and it kind of
resembled how I felt while I was

down there and also how much I
love diving, and I was like,

okay, I guess that's worth
minting.

And, um, I got a lot of
messages from people what that

is and that it looks like a
movie photo and stuff like that.

So people are kind of curious
because they actually didn't

know that's, that's a synodis
and that's not a notion.

And, yeah, I guess I was.

It's kind of something special
and, um, I think that that what

makes it worth it yeah.

Speaker 1: And and you know, I'm
glad you touched on that,

because it was something that I
wanted to talk about.

Like you know, when it comes to
when, like when, you're around

some of these animals, I'm
actually going to share the

screen here to show some of the
underwater work that you have.

Okay, there it is.

Um, if you hear a dog bark, I
apologize in advance.

Um sometimes, uh, the neighbor
dogs go by and she doesn't like

neighbor dogs.

Um, Angelita, this is the one
that, like this one in the sting

right, caught my eye Like, can
you like go into, I guess, the

journey behind this photo?

Um, I'm like this is one I've
been very curious about.

Speaker 2: So, yeah, um,
angelita, or Angelita is a

synodis in um in Mexico, so it's
, I think, 30 minutes from Tulum

, and yeah, there are around
5000 synodis um in the Yucatan

peninsula, but, um, this one was
very special.

So you can either go free
diving there or scuba diving and

, yes, it's, I'm a scuba diver.

I was very curious and excited
to go diving there because I

heard a lot of good things and
um always wanted to see that in

person.

Um, so the the very special
thing about the synodis that um

at around.

So this synodis around 16 meter
depth, uh, deep, and around 30

to 35 meters there is a sulfite
cloud, which is um actually

toxic, and above that sulfite
cloud there is some fresh water

and below that sulfite cloud is
salt water.

So, basically, you have two
different uh kind of waters

there and also there's sulfite
cloud.

It's crazy because it's just a
water sink hole and within the

30 minutes, 30 meters stays a
sulfite cloud and it felt like,

yeah, you're, you're swimming in
.

That was crazy.

It was an incredible feeling.

I haven't seen that before.

I just dove in in the ocean and
, of course, that's beautiful as

well and you see a lot of
marine life and here you, you

feel like you're, um, are in a
galaxy or a universe.

That's.

That was kind of crazy to to
experience that and, um, yeah,

yeah, that that thank you for
that's.

Speaker 1: That's insane.

I had no idea that places like
that existed.

Um, and I think what fascinates
me about the ocean is that,

like you know, there's so little
that we know about the ocean,

Um, and it's like, yeah, yeah,
the ocean's like 70%, what is it

Like?

70% of the earth, you know, Um,
we know the least about it, and

so that's actually that's so
wild, and so that picture of the

person that you took was that
is that you, or is that someone

else that you were diving with?

Speaker 2: And now that's,
that's my um death, my dice.

Speaker 1: That's so cool.

Speaker 2: That is.

Speaker 1: That is really
incredible.

Um, and so if you were to like
even though you had this, so you

forgive my ignorance here um,
but so if you were to like go

below the sulphide cloud even
though you had the uh scuba tank

on, is that still safe to do
Like, since you're technically

not breathing in oxygen?

It's already in the tank.

Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's the
thing.

So that doesn't affect, because
you are breathing out of your

tank and you're not breathing in
the sulphur cloud.

But you can, of course, get an
irritation on the skin if you're

very yeah to that, but usually
that should not affect you.

But if you're going free diving
there and of course you then

breathe or open your mouth,
that's not the best thing to do.

Speaker 1: Right, did you go
under the cloud?

Speaker 2: Yeah, we did.

That was crazy, because you go
through that cloud and it's very

, yeah, very fascinating.

And then you enter the salt
water and it's completely dark,

so seriously, you can't see
anything.

And then you go up and then you
see everything so, so clear and

yeah, it's just amazing.

I still cannot believe that,
but yeah, it's an amazing

feeling and it probably was the
best I've ever had.

Speaker 1: That's so cool and
that see what you just the story

that you just shared, that that
like terrifies the shit out of

me, like that's.

I think what's so scary about
the ocean for me is that like

there's just like this blackness
in, like like maybe I've

watched too many movies about,
like sea monsters and stuff like

that, but like we have
absolutely no clue what's below

that.

So props on you for doing that.

I don't think I'd ever have the
stomach to do that.

I think I would just go
immediately up.

So I'm really thankful that you
did that.

To tell the story.

Speaker 2: That's awesome.

Speaker 1: Very cool.

Let's go back to the other one
that had caught my eye, which

was the believe with the
stingray.

This is, I think, what like
from a collector's standpoint, I

think what like.

What really stuck out to me is
just like all the white at the

bottom and I was kind of like
he's this little person, is this

little stingray is just like
doing a little nose dive or like

it's kind of like skimming the
bottom.

Can you tell the story behind
this one?

Speaker 2: So, yeah, I, we went
diving it was just a fun life

and we went down.

It was around 30 to 50 meters
and we actually wanted to go in

another direction and I saw that
an array is coming.

But I can see what kind of ray,
because also the visibility

wasn't the best at that time and
everyone was going the other

direction and I just grabbed the
fin from my diver before it was

like hey, there's a spotted
eagle ray coming and actually

these spotted eagle rays are
kind of rare to see in the

Caribbean.

So always when we saw someone
or some spotted eagle ray, we

have to report it to the
University of Mexico.

So yeah, and that was kind of
crazy because usually these rays

in general or rays so also
stingrays when they see a diver

coming very near, they're going
away straight away.

So they see something and they
turn around and they're gone.

But this one came very, very
close and just chilled on the on

the bottom and I was lucky
enough that it got so close to

that spot as eagle rays.

So, yeah, that was a was an
impressive feeling to see that

and going so close to that.

Speaker 1: And how close were
you to that, is it?

You said there's an eagle ray.

Is that what it's called?

Speaker 2: Yeah, spotted eagle
ray spotted eagle ray.

Speaker 1: How close were you to
that?

Was it like it?

Was it like it's closer?

You're in the picture.

Did you zoom in?

Speaker 2: No, I was actually a
bit closer, but because of the

fish eye of the GoPro it looks
like a bit far away.

But I think it was just like
maybe 15 or a meter away or so.

So it was very, very close yeah
.

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's
impressive.

Yeah, those are the two that
like really stuck out, and so I

so I got to ask, when it comes
to, when it comes to like your

editing process and getting like
from from picture to why is my

computer doing that?

From like picture to to like,
you know, final piece of work

like what is your?

I guess, what's your process
like?

Is it?

Is it a lot of edits?

Is it not a lot?

Do you like to keep it more
natural, or what is that?

What is it like?

Speaker 2: So the thing is
behind those underwater photos

there are so hard to edit
because usually they're just

greenish and you have to get rid
of the greenish and very

splishy, and also that you can
get the blueish in and

everything.

So it's a it's a lot of work
and also usually the ocean is

kind of dirty.

Yeah, so I have to remove
everything in Photoshop, which

takes a lot of time as well, and
yeah, so I usually start from

the scratch on every photo and
then go with the flow what, what

really resonates to me, or kind
of colors or what kind of blue

tone as well, and what I want to
highlight or what I want to

convey with this image to to the
person who looks at it.

Speaker 1: I like that.

Yeah, no, it's, it's.

It's very cool because I this
goes to show you how naive I am

about the ocean.

Is that like like I'm sick?

Oh cool, that's just what it
looks like.

Like you know when I first saw
that no, that's, that's, it's

very impressive.

And so, like, what's been,
what's like the longest edit

that you've done, like how long
has it taken?

Speaker 2: Oh, it depends.

So, yeah, either it's.

It's from a few maybe I say 30
minutes to one hour, to several

days, because I'm not happy and
then going back deleting,

starting from a scratch and
everything.

So it depends from one hour to
multiple days.

Speaker 1: Gotcha Gotcha, and
you're talking about something

that, like I see a lot of
artists talk about on Twitter,

which is like finding, finding,
like their style and being happy

with it, and so I got to.

So I'm going to share some of
my experience, or just some of

like my, I guess, my beliefs or
philosophies.

Like I'm one of those people
that just like, like, puts out

an imperfect product, you know,
like on purpose, just because,

like I'm a perfectionist at
heart and like it's never good

enough for me.

Like, and I know that as, as
artists, like you want to put

out really quality work, but
also you can't like beat

yourself up over it, if that
makes sense.

Like what is kind of like your
sweet spot, or like what do you,

I guess, with some of your work
, do you still find

imperfections in it once you,
once you post them and like

what's, like the point where
you're like satisfied.

Speaker 2: I think I guess
everyone has that feeling that

over time you develop your own
style and then you look at your

older photos and think, wow, why
, why did I edit like that?

And I think that's the same
here as well.

So when I started editing other
world your photos, when I look

back right now I think that they
are horrible.

So it takes a lot of time,
effort, improvements and

learning as well, and I still
find things in some photos where

I think, oh Jesus, why, why
haven't I seen that?

Oh, why is there a dirt spot or
something like that?

But in the end you have to be
confident enough to take it out

and yeah, just being happy then.

Speaker 1: But yeah, you're in
there, there.

Speaker 2: Of course, there is
some spots.

Speaker 1: Right, I just I like
to ask that question because,

like for me, like I've even with
my podcast I've gone, you know,

there's times where, like I'll
just rack my brain over like

certain ways to edit it, or,
like you know, the audience is

not good enough, or, and I'm
just like you know what it is

good enough, and like there's
always like a break in for, like

you know what man this is, it's
okay, like it's gonna like it,

you know, and it's it's like we
don't really know, like, without

doing that, without finding
that spot, we don't really see,

I guess, where we're at and we
can't, like really grow from it

until we like take the step, if
that makes sense, oh, yeah,

totally agree on that.

Speaker 2: So that's, that's so
true.

So, I mean, that's always a
process and you always learn

something new and with every
editing and with every photo,

you improve yourself and and
learn and grow.

So, yeah, I totally agree on
that.

Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and
so I want to want to start

shifting gears a little bit more
to like the community, like

when it comes to like when it
comes to your work.

You know, because, like what,
people don't see a lot in NFTs

and, like you know, some of my
audience is involved in web

three.

Some people are still in the
fence, some people, I'm sure,

are like against it.

You know there's a lot of
things that that are involved in

this process and one of those
is like participating on social

and participating in community
and, like you know, that has

been, like, I guess, one of the
biggest challenges.

You know.

Like I guess, and moving
forward in NFTs, like when it

comes to like Twitter and social
media, has it been like just

like finding new work.

Has it been like time balance,
like what's kind of been like

the biggest challenge that
you've faced since you've been

here?

Speaker 2: I would say I still
struggle a bit.

Where, where is my place and
space, even though I have a lot

of followers and even though,
yeah, I have a good community,

people who support me and I
support the people.

But I kind of I'm kind of, in
some ways, an introvert person

and then it gets always a bit
overwhelming.

So, I think, finding the right
balance between being active and

also taking my time off I
haven't found it yet.

Yeah, I still spent too much
time on Twitter, but, yeah, I

think that's that's my biggest
struggle right now.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's yeah
, that's a very like.

You know, even we share a lot
of similarities because it's

like, okay, when do we, when do
we pump the brakes?

Like, when do you, when do you
like turn it off?

You know, and because what's
very wild about like what you do

is that it's like creativity
requires a lot of, like you know

, spiritual and mental and
physical energy.

And I'll tell you, at least for
me, twitter has like absolutely

drained me, but it's like I
can't, it's like it drains my

energy, but I can't stop looking
at it.

I hope you had the same
experience.

Speaker 2: Totally, totally
agree in that.

Yeah that's the same for me.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I guess
also when it comes to when it

comes to your work, like I we're
gonna go back forth a little

bit here but when it comes to
your work, like on pricing, like

how do you, how do you come up
with the pricing for your work?

Speaker 2: So, yeah, I guess a
lot of people underestimates the

fact that diving or what I did,
becoming a dive master and

everything is not only Very yeah
, I mean for people who are

probably not in that field.

They think that's so cool and
everything and it is cool, but

it also takes a lot of your
efforts, strength and everything

and also money.

So I Saved a lot of money up to
get out of Germany to get some

Mexico to do my dive master and
also diving in general.

If you're going for a fun dive,
cost around and so it's.

It depends, but usually around
a hundred or 200 US dollars and

Then also a lot of timing and so
go, yeah, doing two dice as a

fun life per day is the maximum
usually.

So it takes a lot of time
getting the gear and everything

to them spots and also diving
itself is pretty Pre-exhausting.

Yeah if you're, if you're not
used to that.

So I mean you get a lot of
nitrogen in your blood, and

especially the piece with
Anglita it's you.

I was diving to around 30 to 35
meters and that's the maximum

and that's enough diving,
because All above 30, 35 or 40

meters is then technical diving
and, for example, the guide

which is shown in that photo, he
has two tanks and that's

because he is a technical diver.

They have a special
certification and also going up

to down to 30 35 meters Requires
a special deep dive

certification.

So there are a lot of factors.

I think the people don't really
think about how much effort and

time goes in, and Then I
thought, okay, because I listed

it first as at one eat, but then
I thought, okay, I think it's

worth more than one eat.

Yeah, because it has a such a
special meaning for me as well,

and All the things behind behind
diving and everything.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what
I noticed that on the on your

foundation page, that you had
like listed it for one Ethan

October and then you like listed
it for two ETH, and I think it

was December, like day before
Christmas, and when you were, I

noticed that, like when you were
telling me the story of this,

I'm like that makes a lot of
sense, because I'll tell you,

like, the level of excitement
that you have for this specific

photo.

I'm like this needs to be priced
accordingly, because you can

tell that it means that much and
it's a really, it's a really

cool shot and you're literally
at like a I don't even know the

right word to describe it, but
you're in this spot where

there's two like I guess, forces
at work, where above this, like

Cloud, this toxic cloud is
fresh water and below it is salt

water.

I mean, that's a.

That's a really cool.

That has to be a really cool
experience and that's a really

special moment that, like, I
guess it's cemented on the

blockchain forever, you know,
and so I think it's very fair

that you price it that way.

Yes, that worries me because
whereverweet about over to the

next delivery on that yeah, yeah
, I thought the same after

thinking about a lot and was
like, okay, but then I was like,

no, it's a right yeah exactly,
and you know, I think that's

something that I see, at least
on Twitter and with some of the

people I interviewed as well is
like a lot of people struggle

with price, but I think I don't
even think people really

struggle with price.

I think people really struggle
with patience because, like, the

space moves so quick and you
see a lot of people sharing

their wins on Twitter and it's
like then start comparing

yourself to other people and I
just see that all the time and I

even do it myself.

You know, like especially where
I'm at, and I think one of the

most valuable things that I've
seen from people is like every

time someone has like massive
sales, it's just like look, this

didn't happen overnight.

Sometimes it does, but
typically it's a lot of months

of like promoting and coming
into spaces and telling the

stories and doing podcasts and
doing you know what I mean and

doing a lot of things to like
get this work in front of the

right person who needs to see it
and collect it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally
true.

So, yeah, I still have patience
that someone will pick it up to

see that's right and you're not
willing to budge on it.

Speaker 1: You know, and I think
that's really even from someone

who, like myself, is like an
aspiring collector, like I don't

collect a whole lot just
because you know the money's not

there yet.

But, like you know, people
notice that, like when you drop

the price or when you, you know,
do something like it, you kind

of like have a question mark of
like wait, why did they do that?

You know, like why wasn't it?

Why didn't they keep it at that
price?

You know, because a lot of
people are willing to pay for it

.

It's just not in front of the
right person yet, you know.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
true that.

So I have a lot of patience in
that especially in that one.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you seem like
you're in there for the long

term, you know so.

In speaking of that, like are
you when it comes to your next

collection?

Is it going to be more
underwater?

Is it going to be more
landscape?

Like?

What do you feel that?

What do you feel like is
calling you right now?

Speaker 2: Okay, so I actually
have several ideas.

On one hand, I would like to or
I actually was working on

working with someone else doing
collaboration thing, which

involves a bit of my underwater
stuff as well, and currently I

am in the States and I am
thinking about maintaining some

of my landscape stuff from the
States.

So, basically, since I will do
a road trip in the next few

weeks and which is about five
weeks, personally I would like

to get the attention more on
that as well, so that the people

can follow my journey through
the US, or my road trip through

the US as well, by my minted
pieces.

But it's not very yet how I'm
going to do that, or yeah, but

but it's a rough plan I have for
my mind.

Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool.

And what are the what if you
can tell people like so, like

what are some of the states that
you're going to be traveling

through?

Or like what are like kind of
like you're looking forward to

the most in that journey?

Speaker 2: So I will start here
in LA and probably so yeah, of

course California, so San Diego,
and then Arizona, Utah, back to

California, would like to go to
Triumph Falls in Yosemite and

then, if there is enough time, I
would like to go up north to

Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 1: Awesome.

I love that and I'll tell you,
I've been in Utah during the

summer and in the winter it's
one of it's one of the prettiest

states I've ever been to, so
you're going to enjoy that a lot

.

Like it's cool to see, like the
summer and winter climate, and

it's a whole different
experience depending on what

time of the year you go in.

Speaker 2: I'm so excited for
that.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah,
absolutely.

You know, when it comes to some
of the people that, like, you

look up to or that you draw
inspiration from, and Web 3, who

would like, who are some of
your like top artists that, like

you, draw the most inspiration
from?

Speaker 2: Oh, that's a tough
question.

So I look up to a lot of fellow
underwater photographers.

So we also have a group on
Twitter where we stay connected,

and one of them is Matt Walsh,
I think.

He is based in French Polynesia
and he does incredible work as

well, so he's one of those.

And when it comes to landscape,
oh gosh, they're so amazing.

But I really like the work of
Katarina Armstrong.

She is, I think, based in I'm
not sure it's nice Zealand, but

yeah, I love her, as well as
trends Chenna's work.

They're incredible and I'm
actually not that much landscape

, so I'm really looking up for
them.

And yeah, of course, who else?

That's a tough question, yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to
throw your wrench If you have

some more, you know, when it so
outside of it, let me ask you

this outside of photography, Do
you do when you collect?

Do you collect anything outside
of photography?

And it's so like, what are some
of the artists or what are some

of the styles that you like
collecting?

Speaker 2: Oh, I, I like
minimalism very much, so I have

a few inspirations, like Finn
Martin or Ricardo Brass, and I

was able to meet Finn in Tulum a
few months ago.

It was so nice meeting fellow
photographers and staying in

contact with them.

So yeah, basically more
minimalistic, more dreamy as

well when it comes to that.

And also, I started when I got
into photography.

We started with portraiture, so
I also find inspiration when it

comes to portraits and more YB
shots, so kind of everything, I

guess.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I
love that and it's cool to hear

like some of the stuff that you
enjoy.

Like you know, it's because we
talked a lot about and I'll tell

you, like, with photography,
I've found that like, I found

like the most genuine
connections with photographers.

You know, because web three and
NFTs, like there's so many

different types of art and I and
maybe I'm just early in my

journey but I've found that
photographers, like, because

y'all are like the bread and
butter and the marketing and the

sales and the work and the
editing and the in the shot and

y'all are like everything, and
so it's, it's such a personal

connection for me that it just I
feel like number one, I feel a

connection with the work, but
like it's such a cool thing that

photographers are like getting
there are getting like their I

guess, their flowers in the
space, if you will.

Yeah, you know, because there's
so much work that's put into

these shots.

And I'll be, I'll be honest,
like Nadine, like before I came

into web three, I was, I took
photography for granted.

Like I took like a lot of like
the, like, the beautiful imagery

, like I saw like on the
screensaver, like you know, in a

museum or you know on a
billboard or whatever the case

may be, and I took a lot of that
for granted.

But until I started meeting a
bunch of photographers and

started like getting involved in
the stories behind the shots

and the journeys to get there,
I'm just like, oh my God, like I

almost kind of feel like an
asshole.

You know, just because I wasn't
aware of it and I'm like, why

are these people not getting,
you know, paid what they deserve

?

And so I think that's one of, I
guess, my my favorite parts,

and you know, the space is just
seeing that happen.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I totally
agree on that, and so nice that

the photographers get the
recognition, and also not only

photographers, but also digital
artists and everyone who's a

creative mind and struggles with
putting the art out and getting

sales or making a living out of
that.

So it gives a lot of new
opportunities to them.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think
that what we always talk about

at least the conversation has
always been like everyone wants

to have a good work environment
and they want to be happy with

what they do and people do their
best work when they're happy

and it's like that's always been
a conversation in corporate

America, at least from where
I've grown up is like there's a

lot of effort being put into
work, life balance and like

bring your full self to work and
all these things, and it's

great, it's needed.

But when you look at like the
creative industry, it's like

those are the creative industry,
are people that need it the

most and yet they have the least
, if that makes sense, but at

least before NFTs, and I'm like
that's just, it's cool.

So it's cool to see that like
people are getting paid to do

their best work and just look
what happens when people are

paid really well for their work,
they tend to produce better

work.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally.

That's a nice nice to see and
it's totally fair and yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.

You know when it.

I know we're we're still really
early in this.

You know, when it comes to when
it comes to like the journey

that you have going forward I
guess with an, I guess not even

surrounding NFTs but when it
comes to like some of your goals

that you want to accomplish in
your life, you know, if you

don't mind sharing some of those
and like you know what is it

like you're looking forward to
the most, and also like what are

some of like your dream goals
that you want to accomplish,

either whether they're in the
space or whether it's outside of

NFTs.

Speaker 2: All right.

So I think I thought about a
lot about that.

One reason why I left Germany
was because I actually didn't

want to immediately follow that
PhD career as well.

So I always have that in my
mind that I want to do my PhD

and having a doctor's degree.

But I also was strong to the
outdoors, to the ocean and

photography.

So I'm kind of in the middle of
finding the right balance.

So I have this scientific part
in myself and I still have this

feeling that I kind of need the
scientific work, but I but I

think that once I find the
balance, I can be very happy.

So my goal is that, yeah, being
a diver so close to the ocean

somewhere and doing still
photography.

I don't want to actually some
full term into photography, but

I really want to pursue it more
and maybe in a kind of way,

making a living out of that and
NFTs give me a lot of push into

that as well so that people
really believe in me and my art.

I've never had this before.

So I used to be a model as well
and I had really huge doubts

and questioning myself and the
fashion industry is not easy and

I started to be a creative mind
by myself.

So that right now, having the
support from other photographers

, other people and people who
are also not in my kind of genre

, so people who are doing just
portraits or digital artists,

their supporters and yeah, that
give me a lot of push into that

direction and, yeah, being very
passionate about what I'm doing,

so I would say close the ocean
somewhere, diving all day,

capturing all these moments and
having a good life, that's,

that's my goals.

I love that make sense.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know it
does.

And I really want to highlight
something that I think a lot of

people get hung up on is that,
like, because you know we're

we're in a time this, this is a
very exciting like technology

that we have in a very exciting
time that we're getting to

participate in, and like, like
we're starting to, we're

literally in the middle of like
a paradigm shift and thinking,

and I think it's and I even get
caught in this sometimes like

man, like if only I could just
be full time NFTs or full time

Web three or full time this or
full time that, and like I think

they're like, as as fun as that
sounds, it's also really

exhausting and there's so much
more to life than just like Web

three and crypto and some of the
stuff, and it's it's so hard to

like not want to be fully
immersed, and so I love that you

highlighted that.

Like you know, you don't want
to be like a quote, like full

time photographer, like there's
other passions, there's other

hobbies, there's other things
that you want to do in your life

, and I think it's a really
important thing to highlight

that the people that are
listening, because you know,

take it from me, you know, like
as a as a recovered drug addict,

too much of too much of
anything is not good, you know,

and so it's good to have.

There's so many things that
make us happy here and I think

it's it's really important or
it's really I get.

I think this is a very cool
vehicle.

If you look at NFTs or this
technology is like a vehicle to

get us to that spot where you
know we can enjoy everything

that we want to enjoy, I think,
I guess everything that we feel

like we need to enjoy.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally
agree on that.

So that's why I said I am
really passionate about the

diving aspect.

I don't know why, because
Germany doesn't have the use of

opportunities, to be honest.

So, but yeah, you kind of feel
like that and I know that when

I'm under water I'm happiest and
I don't have my phone with me

so no one can contact me and
just me and the ocean and a few

fishers, and yeah that's
beautiful.

Speaker 1: That's that that's
beautiful.

I want to.

I want to.

You know we're going to be
wrapping up on time here and I

want to want to end it on that
good note, you know.

So, Nadine, it's been an
absolute pleasure having you on

here.

Thank you for thank you for
making some time.

It's been cool to like get to
know your journey and like get

to like hear some of the stories
behind your work.

You know when it comes to where
people can find you, you know

where, where would you like
people to go, where you like you

the most active and where would
you want people to go to view

your work?

Speaker 2: So, yeah, the
pleasure was mine as well, so

thank you for having me and for
reaching out to you and tell my

story.

So, yeah, I have a website
which is basically also the same

name as my Twitter handle on my
Instagram handle, so basically

you can find me on any social
media website Instagram, twitter

and it's Synadine.

So C A E, n and Nadine.

Speaker 1: Gotcha, perfect,
perfect, I'll put.

I'll put those links in the
show notes and the descriptions,

just so people can have a have
an easy place to go.

But now this is.

This has been fun and this has
been very low key and I

appreciate, I appreciate the
vibe and I appreciate the

stories and you know, I
definitely know we're going to

be connected further.

Speaker 2: So, with that being
said, we're going to sign off

for the night.

Yeah, sounds good.

Speaker 1: All right, have a
good night.

Speaker 2: Thank you, you too,
bye, bye.

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